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I like this line: "Demand-siders dream of bicycling to small homes that keep warm from body heat." We call those sleeping bags.

I also like the comparison between demand and supply siders, and the insights about upfront carbon and overall resource usage that many folks seem to be blind to.

Al Jaber took a lot of heat at the COP 28, but he is right about low-input petroleum being a far better choice than high-input like the Tar Sands oil. The demand for oil is not going to go away for many, many decades, if ever--it is way too useful and many products beyond transportation utilize it. So, yes, we have to become very efficient and even miserly when using it, and try to make it last for centuries perhaps until we learn how to replace it.

Al Jaber also got the big oil interests to agree upon methane management--a big success that the critics ignore.

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""“At the end of the day, remember, it is the demand that will decide and dictate what sort of energy source will help meet the growing global energy requirements,” he added."

And the beat goes on...

I agree with Douglas J that, regardless of the strategy called Hope promulgated by Lloyd et al, people want the lights to go on when they flip the switch and the cost for doing that doesn't require taking out a second mortgage.

And they don't want to ask permission of ANYONE to travel, nor to being limited to what they can buy by those that will exempt themselves from the same lifestyle strictures they are demanding the rest of us to acquiesce meekly (re: all those private jets by the Beautiful People demanding the rest of us can only buy 3 new articles of clothing a year).

"You will own nothing but BE happy".

I'm betting that Orwell is kicking himself that he didn't think of that first as he was writing his books warning of our [maybe] soon to be our Present.

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Don't kid yourself, Grok—the Powers That Be are hellbent on killing personal freedom and independence to do two things:

1. Reduce the human population by billions

2. Turn everyone *except* them into serfs who will own nothing, won't have the capacity to earn a living, and will be forced to become de facto slaves before resorting to #1 above.

What Lloyd and everyone else forgets is that the big push in solar and wind isn't even keeping up with the growth in *DEMAND* for energy, let alone convert existing energy use to renewables. All those GW of solar and wind capacity installed around the world and we're still barely moved on the percentages of energy the world gets from fossil fuels.

But shh! ... that's not anything to be talked about. Because science!

... or ... something?

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Funny those two points (#1 would have made TH's Nelson666 beam with pride) gets a whole lot of play here. Actually, nothing at all.

Indeed...."something?" is something else whose name cannot be spoken...

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