What will the worl do about China building a new coal plant every week? Or, India's lack of environmental control? Billions of people in each country, yet the burden is on the western world. Consider wild fires. What are environmental groups doing about that. It's just like nuclear power, in the 80s, nuclear power bad. Now, nuclear power good. The industry was decimated. Now everyone wants it up and running tomorrow. A construction permit takes at least 2 years in the US. As far as forest fires go, natural is good. No clean up no controlled burns, now huge fires. I grow up in Northern California where controlled burns were a normal thing. Fires still happened but they were controlled. The fire in Palisades was totally predictable and preventable. There was a fire in the 60s in a Brentwood, it was bad but controlled. Lessons learned were forgotten. How could 60s technology be better than 2025? Don't weigh all of these supposed improvements on the western world. Who has been benefiting from the climate change situation? Solar and wind? China. It's so obvious. While the US goes to a part time unreliable energy source that China sells to the world which shuts down reliable sources, China keeps building coal plants and polluted the world. It's nice to thonk about saving the world, but everybody needs to be involved.
Lloyd and Co. rarely mention that China and India, when combined, outstrip pretty much the rest of the world in all those things that Lloyd excoriates. I've asked but even more rarely get a response.
It seems that only the West draws his ire. Even as the air pollutants in the US, according to NOAA, have steadily been decreasing over the last few decades (Canadian wildfires excepted).
That said, I will interject that we are beginning to have a "belching volcano" issue - what's the remedy for that? ;^)
What Jim points out IS the big elephant in the room, though. And neither is slowing down their outputs as their citizens are demanding better standards of living.
While there is now discussion that China's "official" number is over a billion people, there is scuttlebutt that, like its economic numbers, number is much, MUCH lower. Still, even at the lower 600-800 million, there's a reason for all those coal plants being built.
And India's population is growing like my backyard - weeds (and no, not the smokable one). There doesn't seem to be slowing of that which means even more emissions.
So, both countries are NOT running out of energy - they are bound and determined to create even more; the Paris Accords are merely a joke for them as the West economically impales itself.
Just look at sick Germany's state of industrialization - it is hollowing itself out.
Here’s the problem: Whereas air pollution isn’t controversial enough on its own, climate change and global warming are. That said, I own one book covering both global warming and air pollution, which is why I bought it. The other book I own on world conditions that affect its well-being, has 3 chapters covering global warming.
Meanwhile, there is interesting research that was conducted by a team at the University of California, Berkeley, which found a correlation between the incidence of tule fog in the Golden State and airborne concentrations of ammonium nitrate, which forms in the atmosphere during times of cold weather from oxides of nitrogen - NOx (released from transportation and other sources) and ammonia (produced from dairies mainly). As the California air has become cleaner with lower NOx levels being introduced into the air, the incidence of tule fog in state, and particularly that which is present in the San Joaquin Valley, the episodes of thick, dense tule fog has also become fewer and farther between. You can read about it here: “Falling levels of air pollution drove decline in California’s tule fog,” an April 10, 2019 university news release. Representative URL: https://news.berkeley.edu/2019/04/10/falling-levels-of-air-pollution-drove-decline-in-californias-tule-fog/
I like your story, and it is interesting. I would like to point out that the first pie chart in Figure 2 showing the causes for greenhouse gas emissions has the % missing numbers — or putting things in the wrong places? It needs fixing.
This is the sort of thing that will get more people in the developed world to sit up and take notice: how it can affect them personally. Talk of sea level rises in the tropical regions and fears about losing the Amazon rainforest is a turn-off. It needs to come closer to home. My eco-awareness began in 1967, courtesy of my Grade 7 Science teacher with his talk of air and water pollution (remember "Pollution Probe", Lloyd?) Mr Corbett had us bring in samples of the laundry liquids used at home and we tested them for phosphates. I was then nagging my mother to buy a less-polluting brand, and I'm still droning on about these things to anyone who will listen but not many of my contemporaries kept up with it. Appeal to the individual. Nobody wants to drink dirty water or breathe traffic fumes, even less have their kids suffer respiratory diseases or cancer.
Sell the idea of cheaper electricity, more efficient home heating, a more comfortable life and they'll be interested.
The Netherlands is rationing electricity as its overloaded power grid buckles under the pressure of rapid electrification and ambitious climate goals. More than 11,900 businesses are stuck in a queue for access to the network, alongside public buildings including hospitals, schools and fire stations. Thousands of new homes are also waiting to be connected, with some areas warned they may have to wait until the 2030s.
The crisis has emerged as the country scrambles to cut carbon emissions.
And now experts are warning that Britain, as well as Belgium and Germany, are all 'in trouble.'"
What will the worl do about China building a new coal plant every week? Or, India's lack of environmental control? Billions of people in each country, yet the burden is on the western world. Consider wild fires. What are environmental groups doing about that. It's just like nuclear power, in the 80s, nuclear power bad. Now, nuclear power good. The industry was decimated. Now everyone wants it up and running tomorrow. A construction permit takes at least 2 years in the US. As far as forest fires go, natural is good. No clean up no controlled burns, now huge fires. I grow up in Northern California where controlled burns were a normal thing. Fires still happened but they were controlled. The fire in Palisades was totally predictable and preventable. There was a fire in the 60s in a Brentwood, it was bad but controlled. Lessons learned were forgotten. How could 60s technology be better than 2025? Don't weigh all of these supposed improvements on the western world. Who has been benefiting from the climate change situation? Solar and wind? China. It's so obvious. While the US goes to a part time unreliable energy source that China sells to the world which shuts down reliable sources, China keeps building coal plants and polluted the world. It's nice to thonk about saving the world, but everybody needs to be involved.
Lloyd and Co. rarely mention that China and India, when combined, outstrip pretty much the rest of the world in all those things that Lloyd excoriates. I've asked but even more rarely get a response.
It seems that only the West draws his ire. Even as the air pollutants in the US, according to NOAA, have steadily been decreasing over the last few decades (Canadian wildfires excepted).
That said, I will interject that we are beginning to have a "belching volcano" issue - what's the remedy for that? ;^)
I notice he didn't try to refute.
I have run out of energy.
What Jim points out IS the big elephant in the room, though. And neither is slowing down their outputs as their citizens are demanding better standards of living.
While there is now discussion that China's "official" number is over a billion people, there is scuttlebutt that, like its economic numbers, number is much, MUCH lower. Still, even at the lower 600-800 million, there's a reason for all those coal plants being built.
And India's population is growing like my backyard - weeds (and no, not the smokable one). There doesn't seem to be slowing of that which means even more emissions.
So, both countries are NOT running out of energy - they are bound and determined to create even more; the Paris Accords are merely a joke for them as the West economically impales itself.
Just look at sick Germany's state of industrialization - it is hollowing itself out.
Here’s the problem: Whereas air pollution isn’t controversial enough on its own, climate change and global warming are. That said, I own one book covering both global warming and air pollution, which is why I bought it. The other book I own on world conditions that affect its well-being, has 3 chapters covering global warming.
Meanwhile, there is interesting research that was conducted by a team at the University of California, Berkeley, which found a correlation between the incidence of tule fog in the Golden State and airborne concentrations of ammonium nitrate, which forms in the atmosphere during times of cold weather from oxides of nitrogen - NOx (released from transportation and other sources) and ammonia (produced from dairies mainly). As the California air has become cleaner with lower NOx levels being introduced into the air, the incidence of tule fog in state, and particularly that which is present in the San Joaquin Valley, the episodes of thick, dense tule fog has also become fewer and farther between. You can read about it here: “Falling levels of air pollution drove decline in California’s tule fog,” an April 10, 2019 university news release. Representative URL: https://news.berkeley.edu/2019/04/10/falling-levels-of-air-pollution-drove-decline-in-californias-tule-fog/
Ammonium Nitrate? Isn't that fertilizer?
Not by itself but it is certainly a valued component thereof for for plant root uptake.
I like your story, and it is interesting. I would like to point out that the first pie chart in Figure 2 showing the causes for greenhouse gas emissions has the % missing numbers — or putting things in the wrong places? It needs fixing.
I find your thinking floored and you article a load of crap!!!
Why is that, Steven? Are you disputing Jim's numbers? They seem to be in line with what I've been reading about for a decade or so.
If so, what are yours?
I will ask - I've never seen the word "floored" used the way you did in context with "crap". What is it's slang meaning, if you would please?
This is the sort of thing that will get more people in the developed world to sit up and take notice: how it can affect them personally. Talk of sea level rises in the tropical regions and fears about losing the Amazon rainforest is a turn-off. It needs to come closer to home. My eco-awareness began in 1967, courtesy of my Grade 7 Science teacher with his talk of air and water pollution (remember "Pollution Probe", Lloyd?) Mr Corbett had us bring in samples of the laundry liquids used at home and we tested them for phosphates. I was then nagging my mother to buy a less-polluting brand, and I'm still droning on about these things to anyone who will listen but not many of my contemporaries kept up with it. Appeal to the individual. Nobody wants to drink dirty water or breathe traffic fumes, even less have their kids suffer respiratory diseases or cancer.
Sell the idea of cheaper electricity, more efficient home heating, a more comfortable life and they'll be interested.
When electricity is not available at all, I wouldn't call it "cheaper" (even as its cost goes to zero):
https://hotair.com/tree-hugging-sister/2025/07/14/green-fever-dreams-the-dutch-are-now-rationing-electricity-n3804782
"Netherlands RATIONS electricity as country struggles to cope with turning away from gas (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14903553/Netherlands-RATIONS-electricity-country-struggles-cope-turning-away-gas-green-policies-expert-warns-Britain-trouble.html. )
The Netherlands is rationing electricity as its overloaded power grid buckles under the pressure of rapid electrification and ambitious climate goals. More than 11,900 businesses are stuck in a queue for access to the network, alongside public buildings including hospitals, schools and fire stations. Thousands of new homes are also waiting to be connected, with some areas warned they may have to wait until the 2030s.
The crisis has emerged as the country scrambles to cut carbon emissions.
And now experts are warning that Britain, as well as Belgium and Germany, are all 'in trouble.'"