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Stephen  Sheehy's avatar

I didn't fly to NZ or Australia, so I can eat 1757 hamburgers. But I don't eat meat, or fly. So please send me a pony. And a cookie.

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Brian Cade's avatar

Perhaps I’m missing something, but the hamburger example seems to be a carbon offset, not scope 4 emissions unless you went there to attend a beef reduction conference… Seemingly a better example would be if your New Zealand trip inspired others to reduce their carbon emissions that would not have happened without the trip.

I’ve been struggling with this in a project of mine, a car-free infill multifamily development focused on sustainable & attainable workforce/student housing. It's located in a beach/college town with an extreme housing shortage that is pushing people to live in cheaper towns inland that require a 1-2 hours driving commute due to no viable transit options and being beyond what most people would consider bikeable.

Even with using a pretty radical approach to upfront and operational emissions it will still have significant scope 1, 2, and 3 emissions. What would be the “business as usual” version for determining scope 4 emissions? Likely one of two things:

1. A traditional developer takes on the project and optimizes everything around maximizing profit. They build fewer, larger units, dozens of parking spots, and have no regard for upfront or operational emissions. It would house ~⅓ as many people, most of whom would use cars as their primary transportation.

2. The site remains vacant for the foreseeable future, there are no upfront or operational emissions.

If we throw out scope 4 emissions, option 2 is the clear winner, but even using very conservative math, both alternatives result in dramatically higher emissions over the long term.

Calculating scope 4 emissions amounts to trying to predict the future, best case they’ll be a rough estimate, and worst case are an opportunity for rampant greenwashing. However, dismissing them entirely seems like a case of letting perfection be the enemy of good.

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