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Marc Rosenbaum's avatar

I've done a fair amount of both!

As to the deterioration of brick - there are tests that can be done to see the resistance of the brick to freeze-thaw damage. Also, some of the bearing wall brick buildings I have been involved with in retrofits have been unheated for many years - either that was commensurate with their historic use, or they were abandoned for some time. I've worked on a number of New England mills. One in West Peterborough NH hadn't been occupied in years, there were no intact windows. Those walls had no internal heat to drive moisture to the exterior yet evidenced no spalling. Good brick, so no big worries about innies. It's really important to notice any failed detailing on the exterior that handled water and now is gone. On one building of several stories, a gutter downspout was gone, and below the place where the gutter dropped water into the once-present downspout the entire vertical line of mortar was gone in 4-6" wide strip! Everywhere else, perfectly intact.

Many parapets had stone coping that allowed water to get into failed mortar joints. In one four story 72,000 sf VT building one could push sections of parapets over by hand. Solution is repair (or removal sometimes) and a metal cap.

Geoff Tanner's avatar

So many thoughts! I am outie all the way. I did my own house as an outie. I don't disagree with any of the arguments you're making here , it's just that they seem lopsided. On one side you have increased energy efficiency, carbon reduction, comfort, etc, etc, Etc. On the other side you have.... aesthetics? Sure, aesthetics are important but they don't come close to the amount of stuff that's on the other side of that teeter totter. As a Nova Scotian living in Toronto I personally detest the sameness of all the brick here. I've told people that in Halifax you can stumble home in the middle of the night three sheets to the wind and have no problem finding your home. Here in Toronto I still have to pay attention when I'm going to visit a friend so that I don't drive by their house! Not saying we should get rid of all the brick but there are tons and tons of entirely unexceptional brick houses in this city. Mine is one of them. Or was! Not only did I insulate from the outside but I actually removed the 150 year old bricks so that I could pile on more insulation without increasing the size of the house. And I sold the bricks for a dollar a piece so they are not cluttering up a landfill and they are being reinstalled in Heritage homes around the city. Why not take this approach with a substantial amount of the totally meh brick houses and use the bricks on the exceptional brick buildings. And one does not have to cover their insulation with stucco. In my case I used vertical wood siding and it looks terrific. Let's not aesthetic ourselves into 5° of warming, eh!

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