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Jack's avatar

All I know is people are tired of doomday predictions that do not come true such as all humans will die in twelve years, or all ice in the artic sea will be gone in less than a decade, etc, etc, etc,

While predictions like this may call attention to global warming, it just exasperates the problem (i.e the world will end on thursday syndrome) rather than call for solutions on a rational level. Then you have the one percenters telling the rest of us what to do, which begs the question... "Where do they get their information (I do not recall many if any celebrities actually have an environmental science degree) that they are spreading, and why, when they tell the 'common' folks what to do (restrict flying, don't drive etc.) they do the opposite. I think it's called celebrity burn-out (or at least it should be). And yes, that also includes making a climate celebrity out of a twelve year old (or however old Greta Thornburgh was).

And let us not forget that the boomers have lived through the recycle the plastic hoax, which took our glass bottles away from us, and replaced them with plastic in the name of environmentalism.

Buckminster Fuller preached Ephemeralization: to do "more and more with less and less until eventually you can do everything with nothing," that is, an accelerating increase in the efficiency of achieving the same or more output (products, services, information, etc.) while requiring less input (effort, time, materials, resources, etc.) An optimistic view, and fraught with economic dangers, and utopianism is not the answer, but it is a start. However, what do humans do? We find a new way to make more efficient batteries, and yay, they're perfect for EVs, except they're draining lakes to acquire this metal to mind in third world countries in the case of NIMBY, so it's okay to mine and cause environmental destruction and so is ignored by most.

And while these might be baby steps, to get to where technology gets to where it needs to, there are people who hail things like this (as in plastic bottles diapers and bags) as the savior to the environment. yet look at where and how such things are viewed now.

I don't know what the answer is, but I do know doomsayers and listening to celebrities tell us how bad the enviormental crisis is as and we have to do something quickly when the live the lifestyle of consuming more resources (and yes adding more carbon) in a month than most families will in year.

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Herb's avatar

What’s bitterly ironic is that many of the same people who castigate doomers are themselves dooming humanity and the natural world.

Let me explain :

With temperatures already well above 1.5° C the Earth has heated up well beyond the point where any plausible set of human interventions to reduce emissions can avoid temperature significantly higher than we are now experiencing.

Let us not forget that emission reductions alone can only somewhat reduce the increase in temperatures and cannot lower temperatures.

The best science says that if and when humanity eliminates carbon and other GHG emissions - and there is absolutely no sign that that is happening - temperatures will stay sharply elevated over what they are now for literally centuries.

That means that sea level rise and ecosystemcollapse will continue higher than that experienced today.

The best science also shows that largely irreversible catastrophic reinforcing tipping points will likely be activated at or around 1.5° C essentially taking the Climate system out of human hands.

And that is the best case !

Would any one of the people who castigate doomers choose to live or to have their family and friends choose to live in such a world ?

Of course not.

Yet those who castigate doomers are adamantly against intervening into the Climate system in ways that rapidly and relatively safely can actually reduce temperatures such as stratospheric aerosol injection or marine cloud brightening.

So it is a bit rich to hear the Michael Mann’s of the world condemn doomers while also condemning the one intervention that could avoid a doom filled future.

Where do you stand Lloyd?

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