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Larry's avatar

See also the article by Stay Grounded of two years ago, which goes into great depth on those and additional problems with frequent flyer programs, here: https://stay-grounded.org/frequent-flyer-programmes-incentivise-climate-destruction/

And BTW, the 2% figure misses the big climate impacts of flying. When aviation's non-co2 climate impacts are included, it is responsible for nearly 6% of annual contributions to climate imbalance (global heating): https://stay-grounded.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/SG_Factsheet_Non-CO2_2020.pdf

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When considering FFP people need to remember that USA/CAN programs are very different from programs for the rest of the developed world. Implementation points and rewards are handled very differently. I don't have knowledge on the North American systems so my comments are for non-NA programs.

From the very first line of their report. "driving not just ticket sales, but increased flight provision." there is very little evidence that this is true. the FFP are used to attempt you to remain with a particular set of airlines rather than to fly more. " most carbon-intensive seating options and encouraging additional flights." again there is clear evidence that people upgrade but nothing indicates that people fly more (as a general rule - there will always be outliers)

Page 6 "Publicly available research on who uses FFPs is relatively sparse. " their own words indicate why real world data is completely missing from their report. They use pretend individuals to work out values rather than read data representing real travel patterns.

Page 11 "There also appears to be a sub-group of frequent-flyers for whom travel, or flying itself, or even simply points-collection, is a serious hobby. " Here we go again more of the "appears" a cursory examination of the available literature suggest that though these people exist they are a tiny irrelevant minority which in the scale of thigs can be ~~assumed~~ ignored.

Business travel for work has died when the new normal arrived. FPP plans are becoming more limited and more restricted. I have taken to international trips the last 2 years I gained points which I have been unable to use for anything. (One way domestic trip is of no use to me). You used to be able to gateway your AirPoints into other reward programs this is no longer possible.

"I can attest to this; on my recent trip to the UK, I upgraded to a premium seat I never would have paid cash for." But you would still have taken the flight right, so most of your emissions would still have occurred.

"but in the global picture, very few people fly often, and they are almost all in the richest 1%."

So what? Why is this an issue. We are not equal we will never be equal your life is not my life is not the life of an Indian Peasant is not the life of a small African town trader. We can never be the same there will always be imbalances. Some people have advantages over others and always will have. You and I Lloyd were lucky to be born into a first world medical system. Do you claim that we should not use that system because most of the people in the world don't have a similar one?

"Getting rid of incentives to fly like Frequent Flyer Points plans might be a good place to start."

I think you would be very disappointed with the results - but why bother the programs are dying under their own weight. 5-10 years and they will be footnoted in history.

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