Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Craig Smith's avatar

You do them no dis-service as an "old white guy" sparking their creative minds! Riding into class on your bike certainly catches their attention and gives you some immediate credibility on the subject at hand. Successfully challenging a large group of kids w/ diverse backgrounds and different majors to just think about the multitude of impending problems, and then come up with their own creative ideas is a great accomplishment. Kudo's Lloyd!

Expand full comment
Vindaloo Bugaboo's avatar

“Integrating comprehensive climate education into formal school curricula is fundamental. This includes EDUCATING students about the science of climate change, its consequences, and the role of human activities.”

The caveat, of course, is whether or not you're going to educate them or indoctrinate them. (I'd suggest it's the latter and not the former.) How is it that so many Nobel laureates in physics, atmospheric sciences, geology, and other academic disciplines change their tune on climate change once they retire? Is it because they've lost their minds, or is it that they no longer have professional retribution to fear? Personally, I'd suggest your students read everything about climate change using their critical thinking skills—but that's something in short supply amongst the younger generations.

"The answers were interesting, intelligent and often better than I could have written." That's probably because much of what was submitted was likely done via ChatGPT. I mean, just looking at the responses given, it reads like it was churned out by an A.I. bot, especially if you're only requiring them to provide a PDF document as a final answer.

Lloyd, you talk about "sustainability" frequently, but I don't think you've ever properly defined it in context of feasibility, costs, or the balance between sovereignty, resource allocation, population, need, and local/regional environment. I think that it's vitally important to define sustainability in terms of context for all those things, because as I alluded to in another post, dealing with climate change is not just a series of individual silos to be addressed irrespective of each other.

When I was going through college I took a single-semester course on ethics; we explored many facets of what ethics encompassed and how it was demonstrated, and ultimately on the last day of the class our professor revealed to us his definition of what ethics meant, and it goes like this:

"Ethics means doing the MOST good for the MOST people MOST of the time."

Notice he didn't phrase it as an ***absolute***, because no matter what is done in life there will be winners and losers; some will have more than others, whether by sheer luck, work ethic, or design. My throwing out an eggplant tonight because it was going fuzzy will not, in any capacity, affect the resolution of someone's hunger pangs on the other side of the planet tonight. Likewise, merely suggesting we should shun meat and eat more of a plant-based diet overlooks two very important things: (1) most of the world's meat is grown on land that is NOT conducive for growing vegetables or fruit, and (2) meat can be processed, frozen, and transported across the entire globe without ANY degradation in quality or quantity. The same cannot be said about fresh vegetables and fruit, which is simply a function of the perishable nature of said consumables. The **ethical** thing to do is to fully utilize what you buy and thus limit waste, but waste will be inevitable to some degree no matter what. But suggesting that a resource like beef and lamb should be severely restricted belies the resource utilization of the land itself for an alternative.

So how do you get a nation with few natural resources to grow more of their own food? In modern Western nations, we have the good fortune—again, by design or luck—of being able to produce vast quantities of food that can be shipped to all nations around the globe. Which then begs the question, should the nations **without** those resources have ever been allowed to have as many children as they did, forcing them into unsanitary and unsafe conditions, rife with poverty, crime, and hopelessness, or would it have been more ethical to allow them to become dependent on foreign aid to artificially prop them up above the carrying capacity of the land they live on?

That's an existential question, besides being a rhetorical question. My point is, "sustainable" is not a catch-all term that only some people (read: developed nations) must ascribe to in practice, or that can even be easily defined at the individual level, much less collective, because of how complex the practice of living is for all of us. If I have a lot of money but lead an austere lifestyle, what rewards do I get for doing so? Anything tangible? And if not, then why should I be ridiculed for indulging in activities or consumerism that provides personal enjoyment and enrichment of the soul—and which CANNOT be distributed equally amongst the other 8 billion inhabitants of the planet? Like I pointed out above, my failure to eat that eggplant before it went fuzzy will, in no shape, way, or form impact the life of someone else somewhere else—whether that be next door, in the next county over from mine, next state, or across the ocean.

You wrote: "The least answered and probably toughest category is equity, how people in rich countries are emitting so much carbon, and the poor are suffering the consequences ... [t]his is the lecture where I get a bit bolshy and eat-the-rich." Well holy shit, that comes as no real surprise to anyone that you get "bolshy" about carbon equity. But then again, you've ***always*** been a watermelon—green on the outside, communist red on the inside—except you've now stopped pretending you **aren't** one.

Here's the thing: **YOU** don't get to tell me WTF to do with **MY** money, or how I must live **MY** life, any more than I get to tell you what to do with **YOURS**. You want to live a life of austerity, shunning many of the things that make modern Western society a pleasure that literally millions risk their very lives to attain? Great, that's YOUR choice, and more power to you and your misguided belief that it's going to mean a squirt of flea piss on a rat's ass to saving the planet, because it's not—that was the false equivalence so often promoted over on TreeHugger, that somehow YOUR personal decision to live a life of lesser means translates into "saving" the planet, and that by extension, I should thus be forced and coerced to do the same. As I said back then to those idiots who espoused that mindset, "F—k you and the horse you rode in on." It ain't happening, ever, and not just because it runs afoul of the ideals of personal freedom and individuality—it also runs afoul of basic human nature.

You wanna eat the rich? Great—but if you had the ability to exercise your fascist dreams to make that happen, where would investment come from for innovative minds to create the next true breakthrough in technology, science, agriculture, transportation, medicine, and the like if meritocracy and rewards are not part of the equation? I'm not saying you should kneel and kiss the ass of people who are well-to-do (or even obscenely rich) but at the same time, what THEY do with THEIR money and time IS OF NO CONSEQUENCE TO THE PLANET, NOR OF REQUIRING INTERVENTION BY YOU OR ANYONE ELSE TO DICTATE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF HOW THEY UTILIZE THEIR PERSONAL ACHIEVEMENTS. We saw how the Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its own disincentives to meritocracy and innovation; are you suggesting that for the good of the planet Western society should eschew modern life and embrace a third-world lifestyle? Good luck with that if that's your belief, because that's neither ethical nor reasonable.

Once again, you've proven to me that "sustainable" is a feel-good term that watermelon communists love to promote but can ill-define—and even more poorly demonstrate (COP28, anyone?) because it relies on the twin tenets of coercion and prohibition to achieve its goals.

Good health and happiness to you in 2024; the gloves are off early this year.

Good health and good fortune to you in 2024, Lloyd.

Expand full comment
14 more comments...

No posts