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Mark Hambridge's avatar

Reviewing Lloyd's post and previous comments, there must be a variety of 'correct' answers for different locations.

Underground electricity and other wires (cable, fibre-optics) may not be a solution in seriously flood-prone areas; overhead very high voltage electricity on steel transmission towers is probably not currently economically feasible with underground ducts, but reinforcing the towers and wires against wind and ice should be an obvious temporary solution. In England, a high-voltage transmission line has been placed in a disused railway tunnel rather than over the Pennine mountains.

Understreet conduits containing 'everything' might be OK in some areas, but not in low-lying and flood-prone areas. Just don't mix fossil gas with electricity in the same enclosed space...

No-one so far mentioned above-ground conduits. Not pretty, but there are examples in Inuvik, NWT where the normally buried utilities are elevated at the back of the buildings, which are also elevated, originally to prevent thawing the permafrost. Check Google Earth and Streetview for examples.

Cost has been mentioned several times as a reason for not doing 'better'. The true cost of (for example) undergrounding electrical cables should also include the advantage or 'non-cost' of not having to replace downed cables and the losses incurred by the utility's customers, and the environmental and aesthetic 'non-cost' of a more attractive environment (check the absence of overhead wires in Inuvik - the wires may be in the utilidor).

It should go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. The world is changing; do not rebuild, or build, in flood-prone areas!

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GraniteGrok's avatar

Just a quick comment for you, Lloyd.

With your examples of large cities, did you ever entertain the thought(s) that perhaps the problem IS the cities? That a better sense and implementation of lower density might be a better solution?

After all, the arc right now in almost everything is de-centralization. That spreads risks out across fewer people over larger areas. What's worse - millions losing power or a few thousands (for one example)?

Have cities become too large to top-down manage well (I'm looking at Chicago, for a whole host of reasons, as a singular example)? I'm also looking at the "moral hazard" that seems to have been adopted of "it doesn't matter, the Feds will bail us out on bad decisions"?

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